SIHH 2015: Lange Zeitwerk Minute Repeater. Thoughts and pictures.

Jan 22, 2015,09:48 AM
 

Lange und Sohne Minute Repeater, the Star of SIHH 2015?


I will be honest, when the Zeitwerk Striking Time was unveiled a few years ago, I was disappointed and frustrated.

What? We were expecting for a striking Watch from Lange for so long, and it only makes " Ding "? A nice ding, but a short ding, and only a ding.

Then Lange unveiled a Grande Complication for the happy few who could afford and get it. BUT it was a monster, with gigantic proportions. Again, frustrated. Even if this watch can be seen more as a Lange Window representing their know how.

So, this year, Lange came at the SIHH with the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater....An original Minute Repeater, for sure, which has to be examiend Under different angles.

1. The case:


Made of platinum, the case is quite big, with its 44, 2 mm diameter, and rather thick ( 14, 1 mm ).

Now,  we have to say that this is not the biggest of the market, nor the thicker. Imposing, yes. But not disorenting for the Zeitwerk Fans.

One remark about the choice of the metal. I asked to my contact at Lange if the sound was not affected by the choice of platinum.

I remember that I read a comparative study about materials which better transmitted sounds. Stainless steel was quoted as the best, with titanium, in this study. Platinum was not, by far, the best metal.

The answer from Lange is that they didn't notice a significant change of the sound, depending on the material.

We can also witness that, from our own experience that we heard several Minute Repeaters from the same brand, in the same metal, sounding in a very different way. From the bes,t to the worse.

So, the setting of this complication is certainly a very important (if not the most important ) factor.

For this Zeitwerk Minute Repeater, Lange opted for a pusher, which is located somewhere between 10 ans 11 o'clock.While most of the contenders have a trigger.

The case is water resistant to 3 bars ( 30 meters ), and, according to Lange, it is due to the pusher.

We write " according to Lange " ,because we also know that some Minute Repeaters have a better resistance to water with a conventional trigger ( 5 bars for the JLC Master Minute Repeater, for example ).

So, better than a trigger, the pusher? I don't think so, but more elegant, certainly.

2. The movement ( Cal L 043.5 ).


A simple glance at the movement, and it provides admiration, in terms of decoration and finish.

Typically Lange.

Mechanically speaking, it is not bad, as well: 771 parts, 3 jewels with screwed chatons + 90 other jewels, constant force escapement, jumping digital hours and numbers, minute repeater, small ( stop ) seconds, and power reserve indicator.

The weak part? A power reserve of 36 hours. Which can be judged a bit short, especially on this model,

3. The Minute Repeater.

One of the originalities of this Zeitwerk is that the minute repeater is decimal.

Classically, a minute repeater strikes the hours ( ding ) the minutes ( dong ) and the quarters ( one ding dong per quarter wink. With the decimal minute repeater, it strikes every ten minutes ( one ding dong per ten minutes ).

I know only one other minute repeater which is decimal ( as a wristwatch )... The Kari Voutilainen one.



So, this is a quite unique offer in the market.

Several details have to be mentionned, here.

- It gives the " acoustical time " at the moment you press the button not at the moment the minute repeater ends working. Let's say that it is 1.59 and 50 seconds. It will strike one hour, 5 ding dongs, and 9 minutes.Even if the minute repeater ends its  " song " at 2.00 and 10 seconds.

To be clear, it will not just strike 2 dings.

- A safety system: While the minute repeater is working, you cannot set the time through the crown, which cannot be pulled.

- When the power reserve is inferior to a third of its maximum autonomy, so, inferior to 12 out of 36 hours, the minute repeater cannot be activated. This limit is symbolized by a red dot on the power reserve indicator.


Hence the limit / issue of a short autonomy of 36 hours.

- As long as the minute repeater plays, the digital minutes and hours won't move. Example: If you start the minute repeater at 1. 59'. 50" and ends at 2.00' 10", you will have to wait till 2. 00' 10" to see the digital time changing.

4. The acoustical quality of the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater.


We first have to precise that we heard the prototype. So, no final judgement before we can test the definitive watch.

The " volume " appeared to low / weak for my taste. That can change with the definitive watch, but it is already promising, as the richness seemed to be interesting. To be confirmed, or infirmed.

Conclusion.

I like the originality of the Zeitwerk Minute repeater a lot, with its decimal system, its constant force escapement, and the pusher which I prefer to the conventional trigger.

The finish is very Lange Esque, not much to criticize, here, except that I still find it a bit too big.

Two points I less like: The power reserve, which is too short, and the retail which is not proportional to the power reserve... wink

One interrogation: The quality of the sound, as we heard the prototype... Still to be proven.

Looking forward to your comments and thoughts...

Best,
Nicolas
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For me, a great accomplishment.

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 22nd, 2015-10:40
Thanks a lot for the nice report giving us a complete overview of the watch and your interesting opinion (otherwise we have press-kits but that's only for teasing-purposes). Of course, I haven't seen it in the metal. - I find it big but with the fusee-cha... 

Moreover, seeing the hammers moving when activated in the front is quite nice ...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 22nd, 2015-12:10
even if less discreet in the mean time. - I forgot the pusher vs slider matter: I prefer aesthetically the pushers (like the one in last year's thin auto JLC's novelty). I must say I like knowing that activating the pusher leaves the clever mechanism to d... 

+1. I like this detail. [nt]

 
 By: MichaelC : January 22nd, 2015-12:53

Nice post Mark...

 
 By: patrick_y : January 26th, 2015-13:51
Really always liked your post Mark. It shows keen absorption and comprehension of Nicolas' post. 1. It doesn't have a fusee chain, just a constant force system. I believe it's a remontoir-style constant force. 2. I really STRONGLY don't like the Terra Lun... 

Re:

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 26th, 2015-14:23
First Patrick let me say I appreciate a lot your kind words :) Concerning the fusee chaine lapsus I tried on the Richard Lange Pour le merite the same week and I guess it remained anchored somewhere :p "Not romantic" is quite a good qualification! They so... 

You're welcome!

 
 By: patrick_y : January 26th, 2015-15:13
I agree, pocket watches with their movements would be appropriate. But the problem is now a business problem, how many would they sell in pocket watch format? Not many. YES! You hit it right on the head. It's all about a brand's DNA! You see the watches a... 

Thank you Nicolas

 
 By: cisco : January 22nd, 2015-11:06
A great Novelty for sure. The first time I discover the Zeitwerk I was very impressed, too big for my taste but kind of "haute horlogerie" Panerai if I may say. I mean a huge presence, a strong identity that nothing can compare to it, but with the Lange S... 

I have a less clear feeling about the size, François...

 
 By: amanico : January 22nd, 2015-14:45
As I own a JLC MMR Ti, which is O, 2 mm smaller, but 1 mm thicker... But I see mine as a concept Watch... So, I won't criticize the Lange Zeitwerk for that. A very technical Watch, and for once, original, too. Best, Nicolas

Terraluna+ Zeitwerk Minute Repeater...

 
 By: iadxb : January 22nd, 2015-11:17
Thank you for the great review Nico, The new Zeitwerk Minute Repeater plus the Terraluna of the yesteryear are (for me) the pinnacles of everything I could expect from the art of horology. Lange... enough said.. Best regards, Ibrahim

Honest remarks Nicolas.

 
 By: MichaelC : January 22nd, 2015-12:52
The power reserve was a surprise to me when I read the specifications of this watch. It incorporates some interesting safety tech. Aesthetically, I feel it is as good as possible. Platinum, as you say, is not ideal for the chiming, but this is a Lange aft... 

Yes; it has to be seen in the metal, to be heard, too.

 
 By: amanico : January 22nd, 2015-20:42
I am impatient to hear the definitive Watch, to tell you the truth. Best, and thanks for your comments, Michael. Nicolas

Thanks for the great report.......

 
 By: Huei : January 23rd, 2015-01:37
One more question - does the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater have an instantaneous jumping minute disc as compared to the other Zeitwerk models? Has Lange improved the movement on that? I like everything about the watch except for the price :)

Yes. One very tiny improvement...

 
 By: CR : January 23rd, 2015-07:05
On previous ZW models, at about 56-57 seconds, the minutes disc would "jump" downwards just a tiny bit, in preparation for its big (and always instantaneous) jump upwards at precisely 60 seconds. Supposedly the ZW MR's movement does not "jump" downwards a... 

Yes..

 
 By: yming : January 23rd, 2015-07:43
I noticed this too in the video where Anthony was demonstrating the watch.. The little jerk has been removed.. I hope they can implement this in the base zeitwerk as well..

Yes, it does have. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : January 23rd, 2015-10:18

I was waiting for this MR...

 
 By: tudorctin : January 23rd, 2015-09:56
I'm sure the sound of the final watch will be in line with Lange expectations. And yes I expected more than 36 hours power reserve. What I don't like is the resemblance to Striking Time. Constantin

Nice report Nicolas...

 
 By: =RWK= : January 23rd, 2015-11:02
Same goes for the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater! However, I still think the Zeitwerk should offer the option of Roman numerals for hours, and the prices! Best, -- Richard.

If someone could photoshop it that way, it would be interesting to see...

 
 By: amanico : January 23rd, 2015-15:10
How that would look like. Best, Richard. Nicolas

Actually...

 
 By: =RWK= : January 23rd, 2015-16:42
I have heard ALS had a prototype with Romans when the Zeitwerk was first developed, but they decided against production. Cheers, -- Richard.

Thank you for an excellent first hand review Nicolas!

 
 By: fernando : January 23rd, 2015-15:47
I'm glad ALS rose to the occasion and came out with this MR which a few have hinted and asked for. Now with this out of the way they can continue to producing fine timepieces for the rest of us. :) Best fernando

Good one, Fernando. ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : January 24th, 2015-00:05

"The star of 2015?" For me, the biggest disappointment.

 
 By: ThomasM : January 24th, 2015-15:33
Dear Nico, With great expectations come the increased possibility of greater disappointment. I am a fan of the Zeitwork look and design. check. I know Anthony de Haas has a highly respected background in the field of striking watches; in fact he personall... 

Let's be clear, if the definitive watch sounds like the proto, then it is a huge

 
 By: amanico : January 24th, 2015-15:37
Disappointment... And one of the most expensive one. ;) Let's wait and hear the definitve Watch... As for the AP, I heard that the new marvel was not totally ready, and that the sound of its minute rpeeater was .... Registered. Can you tell us more about ... 

I'll comment on the AP RD-1 in the appropriate forum, Nico....

 
 By: ThomasM : January 24th, 2015-15:55
as that would be malapropos here in the Lange forum. Suffice it to say, I know very well memories of sound, like colors and sight, unlike smell, are very fleeting and subject to memory artifacts (read: distort over time) This is why I (nearly) always have... 

We should have a Minute Repeater feast, one of these days.

 
 By: amanico : January 25th, 2015-00:00
Oh yes I do remember yours, the one you wore in Paris a few years ago... Best, Thomad. Nicolas ...  

Ah, thanks, well that rather changes things...

 
 By: Moses : January 25th, 2015-14:16
Putting aside the all-important issue of the quality of the sound, I can't say I'm blown away by the new MR. It's huge, for one....Lange doesn't seem able or more likely willing to make complications with reasonably-sized cases. I think they should.

I totally agree with you on that preference of yours.

 
 By: amanico : January 25th, 2015-14:23
Once again, sorry for my poor English. Best, Nicolas

Too kind, too kind. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : January 26th, 2015-03:26

It is difficult to answer you Thomas.

 
 By: foversta : January 25th, 2015-01:46
First of all, I understand our point. But when it comes to Minute Repeater (and it is a complication I follow with a lot of care since my Genta years), I'm always very cautious. First of all, 3 Zeitwerk MR were in the booth and I'm pretty sure that they w... 

I will be curious about volume of ZW MR compared to volume of platinum ZW Striking Time

 
 By: CR : January 25th, 2015-05:23
Once Lange has improved the Minute Repeater a bit, I'd be curious if it's about the same volume as the platinum Striking Time, or if the Minute Repeater will be louder. [I assume the Minute Repeater isn't softer.]

Could do better, I hope...

 
 By: KIH : January 24th, 2015-21:24
... not really disappointing, but certainly, I hope, Lange could do better. It's a start. I just hope they make smaller, more "Lange" minute repeater down the road at the price point we would feel "we get what we pay for". Ken

Thanks for your article.

 
 By: foversta : January 25th, 2015-02:03
I wrote my current comments in my reply to Thomas. I would also adopt a very cautious attitude and wait for several months before any definitive comments. Thanks. Fx

Nice writeup

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : January 26th, 2015-03:57
Nicolas - thank you for taking the time to writeup the watch. I used to own a Lange Zeitwerk Luminous. I think all the Lange Zeitwerk suffer from several serious design flaws: Firstly the watch is too heavy in Platinum. It just does not feel right on the ... 

Thanks for your feedback and user's opinion, Edmond.

 
 By: amanico : January 26th, 2015-04:12
I have to say that for a few seconds, I thought that Vacheron made THE Chronograph... Till I saw this bloody PR indicator, at 6, which ruins all the Watch... For me. Best, Nicolas

Clarification

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : January 26th, 2015-04:30
Nicolas- what bothers you exactly: the Position of the PR indicator or the that there is a PR indicator to Beginn with? I actually find the PR very useful. I got rid of my Lange Datograph as it kept stopping time as I forgot to wind it......

Vintage looking

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : January 26th, 2015-05:42
Nicolas in principle I agree with you. BUT you said vintage looking. And here is the difference. It is only vintage inspired it is NOT a vintage watch. Modern watches should have all the great advances of technology and movements including a PR indicator.... 

The solution is

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : January 26th, 2015-13:40
So then the solution is- redesign the movement. They did with the Lange 1. For the prices Lange demands- their watches have to be perfect also in design asymmetry. The crown in that position is not perfect and bothers many purists (not only myself). E

I am American

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : January 26th, 2015-13:47
In my country - nothing is impossible. The Europeans should learn from this ;)

"In my country - nothing is impossible ..."

 
 By: small-luxury-world : January 26th, 2015-23:29
But most of the things you really like (at least those I know) are from Europe, aren´t they :-)

Correct

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : January 27th, 2015-00:21
But what does one thing have to do with another? My capital is global. Btw I grew up in Europe and my mother is Geman, my father was Lebanese. I speak three languages fluently (including yours). Best Edmond

There is a LOT to this watch!!!!!!

 
 By: jkingston : January 26th, 2015-06:35
I think this watch is a triumph! Consider what it means to build a minute repeater on the Zeitwerk base. Throw out all ideas about standard constructions. They don't work with a digital time display. So Lange had to create an entirely new kind of construc... 

Jeff, thanks for your point of view and insights.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : January 26th, 2015-23:26
Best, Oliver

Thanks for your feedback, Jeff. I agree with you that it would be fair to juddge this

 
 By: amanico : January 27th, 2015-06:20
Watch once we have the definitive model in our hands... Best, Nicolas